Jakub Majmurek: The Left and the KO yet compete with the Seymites separately? Nothing's gonna change here?
Anna Maria Zukowska: No, nothing, it's a final decision.
Tusk's decision to take off on his own was a surprise to fresh Left?
She was, of course, previously communicated to the Black president by president Tusk. However, this decision has been the case for a week.
What precisely happened? Why wasn't there an agreement?
Every reporter asks me that, and I just don't know. Donald Tusk has the answers.
Do you have any hypotheses?
You know what it's like with hypotheses. possibly Tusk got paid to bury us with a spade due to the fact that he'd take his own, possibly he'd be afraid that the coalition with us would scare off the more conservative voters who would then go to The 3rd Way I truly don't know. I have besides heard theories about the rebellion of regions, but from what we have heard before, the problems with the agreement at regional level were to be in rule only in the West Pomeranian region, everywhere else the message was alternatively that the negotiations were going well.
Tusk's decision is simply a blow and a political problem for the Left?
No, why?
Because as a organization with support oscillating around 10 percent. The fresh Left can break up by a advanced natural electoral threshold in the provincial seyms elections.
We have a tough fight to fight, but erstwhile was the Left easy? possibly for Miller's Leszek? Well, that depends on your point of view.
There's no concern in the organization that he'll end up with a very tiny number of provincial councillors?
Today we have 11 provincial councillors in Poland, at most we will only have a small more. And if you don't, there won't be an earthquake in the party. But any increase in that number will be a success.
Any chance of that?
Five years ago the SLD itself got 6.62% on a national scale. The Together Party, which competed separately, then got 1,57%. present from our list will be launched by all forces forming the parliamentary leftist club, and local activists will besides compete in many places from our list. So there's a chance of a better outcome.
Do you number on tickets in all province?
Probably not, especially in the east of the country. But we put out full letters everywhere, due to the fact that that's what counts for a nationwide score, and we fight.
Tusk's decision worsened the moods in the coalition?
Nope. We realize from the beginning that we are the only left in the centre-right coalition, that we have different values, different identity, sensitivity, pedigree.
But I realize you're inactive looking at each another as a possible KO coalition in the Seyms?
We are already specified a partner in respective provinces, this arrangement works. We will surely effort everywhere where we will be speaking at the weight of our language in exchange for agreeing to certain policies in accordance with our programme. surely we will not make a coalition with anyone another than KO and the 3rd Way – we know which organization we will not communicate with.
If fresh Left loses a clear election to the Seymites, it will weaken her position in the government coalition?
Self-government elections will not translate into a strategy of forces within the coalition. The coalition agreement and the oral arrangements for the division of posts will not cease to apply due to who gains or loses councillors. The Left Club after the local elections will have the same number of MPs and MPs as before them – and without our Tusk MPs it will not have the majority, unless with the Confederation.
Do you have an thought for a run in the voivodships that distinguishes in substance fresh Left from KO? any kind of left-wing pact for the provinces? The organization worked in parallel on specified a program, regardless of the ideas of an agreement with KO?
Of course we've been working, it's not like we thought we were going with KOs and ignoring software work. specified works are ongoing, on Friday in the Sejm we have a local government conference, 700 local authorities from all over Poland will arrive, their results will be presented in the election campaign. I'm not going to present our program to you in the Seymist campaign, and it can be done by the people liable erstwhile they close the work.
What about the cities? Will you support Magdalena Biejat's candidacy in Warsaw and present to the city council a joint list with Together and urban movements?
Talks are ongoing. I think that in Warsaw specified 1 progressive committee should be established, only the details request to be added. We surely don't want a repeat of 2018, erstwhile a fewer left-wing or urban letters were launched and each another was eaten.
What is the goal of the Left in the capital?
The perfect would be to bring to the second circular with the participation of our candidate or candidate and independent club on the city council – preferably 1 without which the club KO would not have an independent majority.
W Kraków MP Daria Gosek-Popiołek as a presidential candidate supported Łukasz Gibala. Is fresh Left gonna support him, too?
As far as I know, Krakow has not yet decided, talks and negotiations are ongoing. The Krakow structures of the fresh Left tend alternatively to support Alexander Miszaliski from the PO, but we will see.
How will it look in another cities?
It's up to all city. There are places where we will take off from the list of electoral committees connected with the current president: this will most likely be the case in Łódź, Lublin, Rzeszów.
Do you have any model self-government, where the last 5 years have been ruled by the left, which you can now show the Poles and tell them: look, our prescriptions work?
In the parliamentary campaign, we cited the example of Włocławek and his social housing programme for rental. We managed to run it, co-ordinate the city. In many places, we have been very successful as a partner for certain policies. We will brag about them in the run – especially in the residential, social, ecological fields.
What is the most crucial goal of the local government run for fresh Left?
At least to defend the state of possession in cities and seismics. In addition, an independent run with a full left-wing agenda where we can talk about values and show the difference between us and our coalition partners on October 15. This will be especially good in cities. We would like to remind you that even if any left-wing demands are raised not only by the fresh Left and its allies, it is simply essential to get things done.
You talked about a run based on values. What circumstantial values in the context of self-government do you mean?
Let us take the value of "sustainable development". He may not sound sexy, but we want to show him what he can do. We will remind in the run our initiatives – frequently from Members and Members – related to local policy, e.g. on monitoring of water quality in Oder and another rivers, water policy in Poland, the fight against illegal waste dumps – due to the fact that especially for tiny municipalities, their liquidation is frequently a financial burden that is unbearable.
We will talk about local transport, showing that we gotta look at it globally: 1 cannot think in terms, for example, that the Mazowieckie Railways are one, the Peeselian world, and the Warsaw public communication another, the platformers. Synergy is needed between the politicians of the Sejm, municipalities and districts.
There's quite a few another stuff, but I'm not gonna tell the full show right now.
The biggest threat to the fresh Left is not that, under the slogan of "retaliation of local governments," your electorate will support the strongest player on the unwritten side, KO?
Not all voivodship is played about its reflection of the PiS. In many coalitions close to this government they fight for re-election. That's the way it is in Mazowsz. In Warsaw, the PiS will not number at all in the fight for power in the city. So there is space for expressing our program, marking the difference and persuasion of voters. Although, of course, we know how much money we have and what human forces we can engage in this campaign. It is surely not easy to be in government at the same time and to present the differences with the largest organization making it.
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Anna Maria Żukowska – politician and lawyer, MP for Parliament IX and 10th term, president of the Coalition Left Parliamentary Club.
