And now the Jew's not the only 1 with a problem.
“He who meets Jesus meets Judaism” – said JPII, November 11, 1980, to the judaic community in Mainz. And as is well known, Jesus was judaic and “Jew”. Well, Who and why invented ChristianityThis is besides an crucial question – ? I what more exalted the hebrew to his modern function and political position in the world, his individual talent, qualities of spirit, Judaism, Christianity, or Zionism encoded in both of these Moses religions— ?
The only thing that bothers me is this Mainz, why did JPII here mention to the common roots of faith? possibly the reason was that it was here, in Mainz, that we request to look for the sources of the fact of the faith, as in 1542 her cardinal exhibited the holy relics of Christianity for the last time: two feathers and eggs of the Holy Spirit – for Christentum im Selbstauflösung [‘Christianity in Self-Deification”] – The President64, 65.
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2011 – Who invented the Jews?
– explains the historian Shlomo Sand (SS), author of loud and “controversial”(where are these controversy -? – D.Kosiur)Books The Invention of the judaic People (‘When and how the judaic Nation was invented”), in conversation with Maciej Nowicki (MN)
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Maciej Nowicki: Let's start with a quote: “Israel is not a democratic state due to the fact that it is defined as a state of the judaic people”.Those words in your book caused a storm in Israel. How should they be understood?
Shlomo Sand: A democratic state serves all its citizens. meantime Israel is not a state of all Israelis, but only of all Jews. For example, it does not service an arabian student, an Israeli citizen surviving in Israel. For 20 percent non-Jews Israel is not their state. If Poland announces next day that it is only a state of the Catholics and not all its citizens, it will be hard to call it democracy, I think you agree... No hebrew surviving in 1 of the liberal Western democracies could accept the forms of discrimination experienced by Arabs surviving in Israel.After all, Israel could not be admitted to the EU due to the undemocratic, discriminatory nature of its rights. – (Unfortunately, Israel is an associate country with the EU, but who and under what principles has it been associated with? – D.Kosiur)
MN: However, in Israel the arabian parties can participate in the elections, it is possible to criticize the government. Freedom of speech has no borders, pluralism has become incomparable to what is happening in neighboring countries. – And Shlomo Sand, although he published a book that enraged all Zionists, inactive works at university...
SS: I don't deny it. Liberalism, however, has its limits in Israel. Although there is no civilian matrimony institution here, there are no secular funerals, public transport does not function in sabbath, and the ownership of arabian citizens is systematically violated. However, the dubious nature of Israeli democracy is not due to this. The main problem is what I have already said: Israel does not belong to all citizens. It is so liberal ethnocracy – liberal due to its freedom and ethnocracy due to the dominance of 1 of the cultural groups. In addition, a group invented from scratch.
MN: What does that mean?
SS: – The judaic nation was invented in the second half of the 19th century by the first Zionists. According to their version of history, erstwhile they left Palestine, Jews began wandering around the world, arrived in Warsaw, then returned and went back to Palestine, their first homeland. This communicative is purely mythical. There is not a single technological book on the exile of Jews from Palestine. For a simple reason, due to the fact that no of this happened. The Romans did not drive out the tribes – they did not have trucks and trains to decision full peoples. But almost all man on the street believes that the Jews were exiled by the Romans.
MN: The Lord goes much further, saying that not only the Jews were not exiled, but what is more, the actual heirs of the kingdom of Judea are Palestinians...
SS: – I think that Ben Gurion was not incorrect in 1919, saying that most Palestinians, or Arabs, – due to the fact that the Palestinian people did not yet be – are descendants of the old Hebrews. The chances of a Palestinian being a descendant of an ancient hebrew are a 1000 times greater than in the case of a hebrew from Poland, specified as me – my father was born in Łódź. The erstwhile Jews remained where they were, and in the 7th century they succumbed to Islamism. Then the question remains: Where did the Jews present come from? Most of them come from peoples converted to Judaism. From the time of the Maccabees, from the second century B.C.E. until the 4th century C.E., Judaism is the chief proselic religion, leading fierce propaganda to its cause. It was not the judaic people that spread – contrary to what many people think. judaic religion spread. Had it not been for the converts, Judaism would have no meaning. This era of conversion ends with the advent of Christendom. – judaic proselytism has been severely punished since the 4th century erstwhile Christianity became a state religion in the Roman Empire. And then it ended up in the Muslim world. That's erstwhile Judaism begins to become closed. Not by choice. This is imposed upon him by powerful competition from Christianity and Islam. That is why Jews decision to peripheral regions, pagan regions – Yemen, North Africa. And that's where they start to convert. Just as in the lands between Kiev and Georgia, where the kingdom of the Chazars is formed, whose rulers accept Judaism. In the 20th century 80% of all Jews lived in east Europe, mainly in Poland. They do not come from the mediate East: their ancestors were Chazars with Slavic or Mongolian admixtures. As you can see, it has nothing to do with the authoritative version of the exiled nation.
MN: You stress that the past of the judaic people has been invented, is simply a myth. But what does that mean? After all, the Polish or French people were invented too. For good, all nation was invented. As Ernst Gellner put it: "It was not the nations that created nationalism, but nationalism that created nations."
SS: – Firstly, Israel is most likely the only place in the planet where there are 2 completely separate departments of historical research: past and past of Jews. “The usual” historians must not be afraid with the past of Jews. Secondly, the difference is obvious. It is that the Zionists managed to come up with the past of the judaic nation, but failed to make the finite product that the judaic nation would be. Unlike Polish intellectuals of the romanticist era, who gave birth to an eternal Polish nation. The Zionists were able to make 2 another nations: the Palestinian people (who had not previously existed and had been created in the judaic colonization phase, as a consequence of the act of resistance) and the Israeli people who have their own language, their own culture, their own theatre, their own cinema, but Zionism does not want to recognise it as a nation, due to the fact that the arabian people besides belong to the Israeli people. There is no judaic nation. Jews don't talk the same language, they don't eat the same food, they don't sing the same songs. I don't realize why they even talk about the judaic people. Why the bluff, the myth? Why can Zionism not admit this miracle of judaic religion? due to the fact that it was religion that brought all Jews together. Of course, it is known why Zionists do this: due to the fact that religion has no assigned land, and the nation is attributed to it. That's why they request that lie.
MN: You wrote a book that questions all the myths of Zionism and all the rights of the Jews to settle in Israel. Hence the question: how can you proceed to live in Israel? And on what grounds can you request the designation of your country by the Palestinians?
SS: “I will answer this question in a dramatic way: even a kid born as a consequence of rape has the right to live. The creation of Israel by Jews, many of whom passed through the extermination camps, was an act of force against the arabian population of Palestine. But 1 thing must be understood: it is impossible to erase the old tragedy, creating a fresh tragedy. This kid of rape – Israel – has the right to live. but they request to be raised so that they don't repeat the crime committed by their father...
MN: Since there is no judaic nation, and the only common denominator is, in your opinion, Judaism, what to do with all those people who consider themselves Jews and want nothing to do with religion?
SS: It's a very delicate matter. I will answer this: it is easy to realize that after Hitler so many people want to mention to themselves as Jews. I don't see any problem with that. There are yet many subjective identities: feminist, gay, etc. Whoever wants to consider himself a hebrew has all right to do so, even though there is no common judaic culture or history. However, I have 2 reservations – if this identity is expressed solely by solidarity with Israeli militarism, then I say, oh no, I do not want to be 1 of you. The basis of a common identity cannot be solely a Shoah tragedy. It's not adequate for me. A community cannot be built solely on tragedy and death. The old life of the judaic Yiddish language is besides precious for me to forget it in the name of death.
MN: You stress the fundamental difference between the concept of a nation in Western Europe, where belonging is based to a large degree on an act of will – it is up to the nation who wants to join it – and a concept typical of Central Europe, where the nation is based on cultural myth, a story of common origin. And the second concept is much closer to the 1 that dominates Israel today.
SS: – The definition of the Polish nation in the 1920s and 1930s was not republican and open enough. All who were not born in the Catholic religion, and whose parents were Jews, Rusins or Ukrainians, were not considered – despite the fact that they lived in the Polish state – part of the eternal, tormented by the invaders of the Polish nation. Most claimed that a actual Pole should be Catholic, as present a actual Israeli must be Jewish. However, Poland has changed and, thanks to Europeanisation, has become more open, moving towards a civilian nation. Meanwhile, Israel is increasingly “forgetting” about the ethnically and culturally diverse judaic past to make them cultural monolith. This shrinky adherence to ethnobiological definition explains a apparent paradox. In the past, the main supporter of Israel was the left. present Israel has the support of the right, frequently the extreme. Even ancient anti-Semites became philosomites. This is due to the fact that only in Israel can they dig to the thought of a nation that they themselves profess.
MN: Anti-Semites love to operate parallels between Nazism and the State of Israel. Do you have no uncertainty – utilizing a akin rhetorical trick – that erstwhile it comes to defining a nation, Hitler won a intellectual triumph in the judaic state?
SS: – There were times in Europe erstwhile anyone who thought Jews were a abroad nation was considered an anti-Semite. present it is the opposite: everyone who proclaims that the Jews do not form a separate nation is called the enemy of Israel. It is simply a triumph of the Nazi idea, meaning defining identity on biological premises. Most Israelis believe that they have the same genetic origin. Since the judaic identity is so fragile, for years there have been many laboratories in Israel that effort to show the existence of a common DNA, the alleged judaic gene. And people believe that – erstwhile I was interviewing for example "The fresh York Times", the argument behind my book was to be the celebrated judaic gene. It is all the more embarrassing that no 1 seriously believes in the existence of pure races, discipline has long rejected this view.
MN: Your critics emphasize: Israel may be making mistakes, but Shlomo Sand requires besides much from a state that only wants to survive, and is surrounded by mortal enemies. This extraordinary situation justifies reaching for extraordinary measures.
SS: What are we talking about? Who threatens our existence? The last war that threatened Israel with annihilation was nearly 40 years ago. We're armed to the teeth and we have the top power in the world. Neither Egypt nor Jordan nor the Palestinian Authority want Israel to be killed today. Even Syria has no intention of destroying Israel today. It is Israel himself who seeks mortal enemies.It is the most dangerous component in the mediate East. He does not agree to peace on the basis of the 1967 borders which the arabian planet proposes to us, and wants to be the only atomic state in the region...
MN: All the blame lies with Israel? Aren't you even afraid of Hamas?
SS: – I do not support Hamas in any degree. But you gotta realize that I toozeral is liable for the radicalism of this organization. He does everything to drive Palestinians into desperation, due to the fact that Israel understands only 1 language—the language of strength. The reason why we cannot make peace in the mediate East present is not Palestinian bombings or rocket attacks. The reason is the opposite: it is the weakness of the Palestinians. It is adequate to callback that Israel made peace with Sadat in 1977 only due to the fact that Egypt had won a half-way triumph 4 years earlier.
MN: US abroad policy has so far been heavy dependent on Israel. In Washington, the interests of both countries were considered convergent. It's starting to change. More and more we read that Israel-American relations have been experiencing the top crisis since the 1970s, that Israel's colonization policy is threatening what Obama considers highly important: an effort to calm relations with the arabian world. erstwhile Joe Biden's fresh visit, Israel announced its intention to make fresh colonies, The Americans were just angry.
SS: "The conflict between Tel Aviv and Washington will increase. To retreat troops from Iraq, Americans must improve relations with Syria and Iran, while Israel does everything to guarantee that there is no specified relaxation. The interests of both countries are beginning to disagree widely. I so hope that the US will proceed to put force on the occupied territories, due to the fact that I do not think that any changes in this area could be initiated in Israel alone.
MN: Carter forced Israel into peace with Egypt, Clinton failed to force Israel into peace with the Palestinians. What's it gonna be this time?
SS: "It's hard to say, due to the fact that American abroad policy is the accidental relation of forces between force groups. And as you know, There is simply a very strong prosionist lobby in the United States that seeks to prevent all force on Israel. In my opinion, this lobby is very dangerous to my country. After all, the conflict in Northern Ireland ended erstwhile the lobby of Irish Catholics in the United States stopped providing support to the IRA, gave up sending weapons and money. I spoke to Amos Oz a while ago. For a long time he advocated reconciliation between Jews and Palestinians, but he confessed to me that he understood that there was no chance. There's besides much common hatred. The only realistic solution seems to him to be an immediate divorce. – The fact that Oz, whom I respect, reaches for akin arguments at least surprises me. The thought of a complete separation from Arabs, a life without Arabs, is simply a dream. If individual wants to live in the mediate East, they must get utilized to the thought that they will never be able to separate from the Arabs. If he doesn't want to live with the Arabs, let him go to Paris or Warsaw. Let me tell you something: the more Palestinians surviving in Israel absorb Israeli culture, the greater their alienation. There is no paradox in this – they just feel more excluded. The rate of rejection of the State of Israel has been expanding steadily since 1948. The first and second intifada is simply a trifle compared to the threat posed present by the possible of hatred by frustrated Arabs – Israeli citizens. They will not tolerate the fact that the state in which they live emphasizes that it is not their country, but only Jews. They will end up rebelling and making fresh Kosovo in Galilee. This will mean a major turn in Israel's past history. And a large threat to its continuation.
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