Tusk Demagog and Polish...

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What does it mean for me to be Polish? Everything.
What is Polishism to me? Everyone.

Because everything is Polish to me.


Jarosław Marek Rymkiewicz







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Article below The river basin.pl commenting Prof. Andrzej Nowak - not to repeat the abusive words in his title, I'm avoiding him...

Ascha experimentation - pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Ascha



From specified an edited title it can be concluded that this is the opinion of the prof. on Polishness - no, it is not.

From the context of the statement, these words are: "a hint from Moscow, or from another capitals".

As a rule, the title of the article provides a summary of the content, the core of the subject itself, here the effect is reinforced by the phrase "another strong words of Prof. Nowak". The usual slogan of the title goes to readers with a clear message and can perpetuate itself, so lying, hurtful, insulting words should not be treated so selectively and placed in titles...

It's like the paper itself called us fools or fascists.



Prof. Andrzej Nowak was a guest of Robert Mazurek. The writer asked the historian from the Department of past of east Europe Institute of past of the Jagiellonian University, to measure the condition of Polish historical debate. The interviewer pointed to the name of Peter Zychowicz, whom he powerfully criticized. Prof. Nowak accused Zychowicz that his books were written for inexpensive sensations and co-starred with the propaganda of Kremlin and Berlin.


Prof. Nowak: I expressed my critical opinion

Now a popular historian is returning to the subject. In an entry in social media, he stated that the starting point for the conversation in Channel Zero was the "fun" they had held in the carnival of the city's governors of Radom on the occasion of the upcoming 50th anniversary of the pacification of the labour protest in June 1976. He besides referred to his dispute with Piotr Zychowicz.
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However, the historian did not mention to the message that Peter Zychowicz made last night.

"Who better spit on the Polish past?"

In the following part of the entry, the historian stated that in the conversation he besides criticized "the alleged elites now dominant over the planet of Polish movie and serial content".

In his opinion, the planet of culture presently only rewards works showing Poland in dark colours. "Polesity [to elites—ed.] is abnormality. Polish conflict for freedom – ridicule (as with this June 1976 in Radom, as with a completely lost memory of the large global Solidarity, or about the real Polish contribution to defeating Nazi Germany). Poland is either stupidity or fascism – as they propose from Moscow, or from another capitals. Why should we repeat this, compete in discipline: who better spit on the Polish past, our identity? Of course, this spit is always called “critical thought”... Well, then I take a critical thought about specified critics," he added.

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"Who better spit on the Polish past?" - I don't see that phrase in the professor's message to fb - where did the editors get it? Or is that their opinion? Why is he in quotes?

"Polsity is abnormality" - This phrase is simply a quote from Donald Tusk.

Today's Polish Prime MinisterHe wrote those words in a short essay for the magazine Mark - No 11-12 (No 382-383) 1987.





I print all at the end of the post.


Why the editors interfered with the content of Prof. Nowak's memo and provided it with a comment "to the elite" - I have no idea. This is Donald Tusk's opinion of himself, about what he thinks about Poland, not about the elite.

"Polesity [to the elite—ed.] is abnormality."

Why are they doing this?

I propose you take a look at your notes and mark this paper in the red border...



for fb:

Professor Andrzej Nowak

20 hours ·
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VZce4z82t3Q&t=5645s

In over 2 hours of conversation in the program of editor Robert Mazurek on Channel Zero, we were to discuss only historical topics. The starting point was the “fun” they had in the carnival of the city of Radom on the occasion of the upcoming 50th anniversary of the bloody pacification of the labour protest in June 1976. "Merry" dress-up in zombies, joke-offs, victims. Is that how we should play with history, our history? Or possibly as the red suggests. Peter Zychowicz in his books? Here the "light" thesis that "Poles saved Bolshevikism and wasted an chance to build an empire" in 1919, in another book regret that Poland did not ally with Hitler and went to Moscow (maybe earlier together on Paris)? Well, I've expressed my critical opinion of the way you juggle the past. Yes, I besides took the chance to have a critical opinion about the alleged elites that now dominate the planet of Polish movie and serial content – elites that reward invariably boring, always the same producers about how pathological the Polish household is, as hideous, and at best grotesque is Polish history, as disgusting in all aspect is "polacy".

I cited as a counterpoint the late watched Czech tv series: "The Secrets of Prague". Criminal incarcerated in the 1920s. The Czech Republic is the most beautiful, most elegant country in the world, Czech Republic and Czech Republic – the best-dressed people – just joy for the eyes. And is that boring? On the contrary. I encourage you to watch and follow.

But we don't. Poland is an abnormality. Polish conflict for freedom – ridicule (as with this June 1976 in Radom, as with a completely lost memory of large global Solidarity, or a real Polish contribution to defeating Nazi Germany). Poland is either stupidity or fascism – as they propose from Moscow, or from another capitals.

Why should we repeat this, compete in discipline: who better spit on the Polish past, our identity? Of course, this spit is always called “critical thought”... Well, then I take a critical thought over specified critics. I dedicate to them the wisdom of Master Vincent, the first Polish historian, who always emphasized the request for respect and gratitude for what our ancestors left us.

What about criticism? Let us return to Master Vincent, a vote from 800 years ago addressed to us: “[...] I fear that we should not effort to delight ourselves more than is right. I'm afraid we're not going to be besides hard on each other, so the minute we grin at each another stupidly, the stupider reason why we don't like each another is why we don't get insulted. For with pleasantness we feed foolishness, and with speaking contraryly--prudence; but let the vindictor be friendly and wise; this mistake with love he will correct, with a lasheing he will remember; let him not hastily chastise as shameless virulence which is in the reed search, and a gap in all; alternatively let him remember both his own and our humanity, and that there is nothing perfect in human discernment."



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Below will be the editable version of Donald Tusk's essay -
Copying from pdf to editor ended in the failure of diacritic characters, which improved my AI Gemini - I rapidly checked the text and did not announcement that it changed anything, so I think it is simply a good copy.


I draw attention to a fewer things:

- in 1 sentence, censorship intervened:
"Freedom is the highest value in it [-----] [Law of 31 VII 1981. About the inspection of publications and performances, Article 2, point (6) (Journal of Laws No. 20, item 99, as amended by 1983 Dz. U. No. 44, item 204) Takes large actions with mediocre results"

I looked into the bill: Law of 31 July 1981 on the control of publications and performances

Art. 2 - utilizing freedom of speech and printing in publications and performances you cannot:
6. call for or approve of an offence,

Well, I wonder what he wrote...


- I'm sorry. Tusk quotes a passage from Andrzej Bobkowski, where the conviction is: "Where am I expected to look for my grandfather's birth certificate?" with description: "how many good remarks about Polishness!" Tusk wrote this text at the age of 30, and the case of "grandfather of Wehrmacht" appeared 18 years later in 2005.

- in my opinion the author - disgusts Poland

- page magog.org.pl As if she was dealing with fake news, she claims that quoting Tusk's words is manipulating







== sync, corrected by elderman ==

Tusk believes that “polsity is abnormal”? Manipulation
Donald Tusk's words were ripped out of context.

On TikTok was published a graphic on which the quote from Donald Tusk was presented as evidence of his reluctance to Poland and Poles. This is evidenced by the policy that "polsity is abnormal."

Donald Tusk's words came from an article from nearly 40 years ago entitled "A broken Pole". The graphic shows only a fragment of this article, in which the politician critically presented the attitude of Poles towards reality (p. 191).

Donald Tusk's publication did not concern criticism of Poland and Polishness. The current Prime Minister answered in the text the question of the number – "What is Poland?". To explain this, Donald Tusk presented the attitude of Poles towards reality as different from the 1 that dominates the world.


I think that's the line. demagoga She wrote AI.


It is not manipulation and Donald Tusk's words have not been ripped out of context. It's just demagog That's a false claim. This page has not been the first time to compose untruth.



The task set by the sign was:

THE CONCEPT OF POLAND
MARK

In the spring of 1987, we addressed respective twelve people with a letter containing the question: “What ideas, stereotypes, historical, cultural and spiritual associations do you associate with the concept of Polishness?” to effort to justify its meaning and request a consequence as short as possible and ex abrupto.
In this ambitious question there was no emphasis on personal experiencing and shaping your own sense of Polishness. Fortunately, this aspect was not lacking in the answers. Below we print the first part of the votes sent by the day of the closing of this number, putting them in alphabetical order. We make an exception only for the more extended statements of Emanuel Rostwarowski and Mieczysław Porębski, placed at the beginning and end of this block respectively. Most of the titles come from the editorial board.



So it is not actual that the authors wrote their opinion about Poles - they wrote about their own feeling of Polishness - although different authors disagree from this task ZNAK did...

And so on from the text Władysław Terletsky:
"Poland is for me a phenomenon that allows life on 2 levels."

Józef Czapski:
"It is very hard for me to talk about Polishness – for my Polishness it grew in unexpected ways"
"But why Poland, its independence, turned out to be specified For me Important?"

Jerzy Jedlicki
"You want me to ex abrupto said, What I'm acquainted with with the concept of Polishness"

Andrzej Kuśniewicz
"For me personally. for old years – there are old memories, various symbols, old photographs and books, memory of tunes, words and landscapes remembered from the years of youth, inactive alive despite the passing of years"

Jarosław Marek Rymkiewicz
"What's up for me? is connected with the concept of Polishness? Everything. What it is to me Polish? Everyone"
"Because everything is for me Polishness"

Henryk Samsonovich
"In my sense, “polsity” is simply a collection of any features distinguishing the nation I belong to."



On page 215 there are several-verse notes about survey participants - this is the shortest:
Donald Tusk, born 1957 in Gdansk, historian. He published, among others, in ‘government’, ‘Pomerania’ and ‘The Star of the Sea’




So it's hard even to talk about getting out of context, due to the fact that the full Tusk text is like 1 large "context" - in almost all conviction Tusk expresses his disgust for Polishness, and words "Polsity is an abnormality" is the essence of this short text. Tusk does not describe the attitude of Poles towards reality, he writes about himself and his individual opinions: what Polishness is associated with.

Why is Tusk so defended? We'll find out in time...




Demagog is individual who uses demagogy in his statements.

Demagogia (Gr. dēmagōgía – leading the people) – influencing public opinion in order to gain and keep supporters through Unreal promises and deceptive passwords.
Demagoguery had already developed in ancient Greece, but originally it had a somewhat different meaning than today. In Greek it means “the leading people.” specified excellent speakers were called to influence the decision of the folk convention.
Today, it means lying for winning elections or flattering voters, for example, giving distant alleged election sausages. Demagoguery is considered to be lies, making popular and effective but unfulfilled promises, or making promises without intent to carry them out, flattering the masses, seeking a scapegoat, utilizing illogical but convincing arguments.


So the name of this web page perfectly reflects what it contains - deceptive slogans, the usage of illogical arguments... At the same time, the name shows that this website aims to leading the people...

If anyone isn't here yet, I propose you compose down the demagogue page in the red border.






Donald Tusk, “Polak torn” (1987)

Poland as a given subject... It would seem: just sit down and write. And here the emptiness, only somewhere in the distance pass the Hussars and the wounded, the insurgents and marshals, the chaotic Fields and Jasna Góra, historical missions, Polish months, victories and defeats. Victory? How can we free ourselves from these stereotypes, which accompany us almost from birth, reinforced by literature, history, universal resentations? What will stay of Polishness erstwhile we subtract from it all this lofty-ponuro-funny theatre of unfulfilled dreams and unwarranted delusions?

"Polsity is an abnormality – specified association imposes on me with painful persistence whenever I contact this unwanted subject. Polishness is constantly triggering my reaction to rebellion: history, geography, bad luck of history, and God knows what else they put on my shoulders a burden that I do not have a peculiar desire to carry, and I can not throw off (I do not want to?), burned a mark and made them proudly celebrate. So I become abnormal, filled to the borders of Poland, and where others say man, I say Pole; where others say culture, civilization and money, I shout God, Honor and Homeland (all necessarily capital letters); erstwhile others build, love and die, we fight, we emergence and die. And only in the short moments of the break do we consider our national ethos a small more critical, read Brzozowski and Gombrowicz, become normal.

There is simply a tragic spread in Polishness – between imagination and fulfillment, plan and implementation. It is the ethos of the unlucky, the ethos of the losers, and at the same time unconcerned with its loss. Freedom in it is the highest value — [----] [Law of 31 VII 1981. About the inspection of publications and performances, Art. 2 pt. 6 (Journal of Laws No. 20 item 99, as amended by: 1983 Dz. U. No. 44 po, z. 204)] is taken to large actions with mediocre results. In fact, Poland itself is not an adequate projection of our collective complexes to the grim reality. More beautiful than Poland, it is an escape from Poland on the ground, a particular, lost, dirty and poor. And that's why he makes us so stupid, blind, leads us into the land of myth. Sam is simply a myth.

Yes, Polishness is associated with loss, with bad luck, with storms. And it's hard not to. “What is our life? – Andrzej Bobkowski wrote in Sketches with a feather (how many good remarks about Polishness!). – Wrapping short pieces of thread onto a part of cardboard without being able to tie them together. Where do I look for my grandfather's birth certificate? Where to find the trace of your great-grandmother? To what do you attach a backward thought? For nothing – for stories, almost to the legends of this country, which has rented itself a passerby area in Europe and for 10 centuries tries to arrange in it all the comforts and illusions of a area with a separate entrance, exhausting all its energy in quarrels and fighting with passing. How can you think of the device of this area with good furniture, bibelots, napkins, erstwhile they muddy the floor, smash and smash objects? This is not life – this is the continuous temporary life of a butterfly and therefore, as our character, there are possibly so many features resembling this insect. How are we expected to be ants?..”

When I compose these loose remarks, I feel at all minute that something is missing, that with large difficulty I make even trivial thoughts. reflection is distorted by mood, emotion, and these are besides variable. due to the fact that although Polishness evokes associations drawn by history, it is besides a happening, it is simply a uncertain look to the future. And I conflict between bitterness and emotion, pride and embarrassment. Then I think – so in Polish, pathetically – that Polishness, regardless of its burdensome heritage and tragic associations, remains our common conscious choice.”

Donald Tusk







To not end a post with specified an ugly, from page 167 of the ZNAK release I'll quote Erwin Raven's words...


The mirror of Polishness is Polish.

Examples and analyses could be cited, in which periods and conditions it has revealed its greatness, And erstwhile and why she resembled a mediocre tool. In our modern times, stricken by various contradictions, quite a few confusion. ‘New’ phenomenon, both in the sphere of ideas, and concepts.

The Polish political and economical crises – and already the most labor-based protest of August ’80 – brought the public to awareness, that the deepest crisis is simply a crisis of value, especially if they are relative, replaced.

As a last resort, this "two-man" operating in the area of social life, blurry the image of reality, and frequently the planet of moral values. So for me, even for these only reasons, Polishness appears to be a social request for deeper rooting in these values, which not only organize collective emotions, But they besides manifest themselves in action, creating both the civic community, as well as approaching – to usage Norwid's words – “moral union”.









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Ai doesn't want to...









quote I had to look on foot









basins.pl/opinie/845081/prof-nowak-turn-to-sporu-z-zichovich-critic-tez-elity-iii-rp.html
argo.neon24.net/post/72663, what-is-polskost
I'm sorry.
== sync, corrected by elderman == @elder_man


MARK:

Old.mbc.malopolska.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=63063&from=publication


isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/download.xsp/WDU19810200099/O/D19810099.pdf

isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/download.xsp/WDU19830440204/O/D19830204.pdf

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Ascha



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