Do you agree with Emmanuel Macron's view that "Russia has turned the Ukrainian conflict into a global conflict"? Do you agree with him erstwhile you say that the Russian "existing threat concerns us and does not know borders"?
– Now, possibly for the first time in 3 years, the possible of peace in Ukraine opens, and Emmanuel Macron calls us to prepare for war. I realize why the French are lost! His message is surprising. As of 2017, Emmanuel Macron has been the president who has led to the disarmament of our sovereignty and is abruptly experiencing revelations in this regard. Unless he confuses sovereignty with slavery by proposing a transition from subjugating the United States to subjugating the European Union.
So “Russian threat” does not concern us?
– The nation must always defend itself against dangers, and all large powers are in fact a threat. The fact that Donald Trump was elected reminds us that the country can change its position: by the way, that is the rule of the existence of sovereign nations! As for France, the momentum given by General de Gaulle allowed us to become a atomic power with a full army. It makes us autonomous and independent.
Do you think Russia is simply a number 1 problem for the French today?
– I full agree with François Fillon's opinion: muslim fundamentalism remains the main threat. I am so convinced that even erstwhile Emmanuel Macron said that NATO was experiencing "brain death", I proposed that this organization change its mission and become an instrument for combating muslim fundamentalism. Not to mention that Russia is improbable to prosecute Paris if it has not made much advancement in Ukraine within 3 years.
The Kremlin accuses France of being "a threat" to Moscow. Vladimir Putin condemns Europe's "fall" and accuses her of forcing him to invade Ukraine... Is Russia truly at war with the West?
– Vladimir Putin evolved towards greater hostility towards the West. But just due to the fact that he is hostile to Europe, does not mean he will go to war against him! There's no request to make everything absurd. In geopolitics, the right attitude is the view from above. Especially since the Russian expert warned me once: “Be careful, due to the fact that behind Vladimir Putin are those who are much more hostile to the West than he is.” And I'm willing to believe that.
Can it be said that eighty years after planet War II we entered a "new era"?
– I have already expressed my opinion on the risks of specified a abrupt cessation of assistance to Ukraine, which the president of the United States has agreed to. But wasn't that predictable? Donald Trump, whom everyone observed due to the fact that he was already in power, has 1 serious flaw in the eyes of French politicians: he keeps his promises. He promised peace and will make all effort to do so. With respect to the “new era”, which Emmanuel Macron is talking about, it is truly about the large return of national states. Clearly, he cannot realize this due to the fact that it violates his image of the world, but it is simply a revolution of the planet order. It is simply a ceremony of globalisation, which has already become weaker. It's making our time.
In this context, do we request more or little Europe?
— Europe's countries should not be confused with the European Union. The European Union is simply a "serious robber" who uses all crisis to usurp fresh powers. This was the case during the 2015 exile crisis, as in the case of wellness care during the 2020 COVID crisis, may be the case in the case of the debt crisis and so may be now, due to the crisis in Ukraine. In fact, they want to make a European army under European control. However, if we had a European army, our soldiers would already be fighting in Ukraine. I would add that the joint purchases of arms announced by Ursula von der Leyen mean not only that we will actually establish joint management, but besides that we will increase our dependence on the United States here and now, due to the fact that the reconstruction of the European defence manufacture will take 10 years.
You met Viktor Orban, who publically supported Donald Trump. Do you agree with him about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict?
Viktor Orban and I are allies. We are allies of a fundamental thought – in terms of the sovereignty of nations. This means that we are willing to object together. Moreover, the statute of our group in the European Parliament states that diplomacy is part of the sovereignty of all nation. There is so no request to search a common or uniform position in global relations.
François Hollande says Donald Trump is “not an ally” of France...
– The erstwhile president shouldn't say that. If François Hollande truly thinks so, does that mean that France should leave NATO? due to the fact that by definition you can't keep a "soy" with countries that are not allies...
Speaking of atomic deterrence, Emmanuel Macron said he wanted to “open a strategical discussion” on the protection of “our allies on the European continent”, stating that “the decision has always been and will stay in the hands of the President.” Is it essential to open this discussion?
– Emmanuel Macron argues that the doctrine of deterrence developed by General de Gaulle has already taken into account the fact that the vital interests of the nation may include certain interests of Europe. But if there's nothing fresh about it, why talk about it again? I have noticed that all time the president of the Republic speaks on this subject, he ignites a fire. This shows that the head of state truly wants to change the paradigm to respond to the expectations of Germany in particular. The French doctrine of atomic deterrence is simple: we do not know the day, the hour, the causes or the place. I don't think we request to change that.
There were politicians from many countries in Ukraine. And you?
– I don't gotta go to Ukraine to realize the reality of war. That's why I'm so frightened of her. I know the war is terrible. I can't talk about it with the kind of nonsense that those who explain that you gotta go to war with Russia.
Donald Trump's method of "achieving peace" through direct negotiations with Russia is rather different from the "international conference" proposed by you. Am I right?
– This will only become clear at the end. At the minute of our conversation, I don't know if he can accomplish peace. But above all, I fear that peace negotiations will only be conducted between Russia and the United States.
Isn't it besides late?
– I don't think so. European countries must sit at the negotiating table and, above all, France. And they must do everything essential to avoid a fresh “Versal Treaty”. In another words, a peace treaty that contains all the beginnings of the future war.
For: ‘Le Figaro’
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