Can law and justice return to power? And if so, what strategy must it take? This was discussed in an acute discussion with Łukasz Karpiel Rafał Ziemkiewicz and Rafał Woś. The publicists powerfully argued about the direction in which Jarosław Kaczyński's organization should now go – and what are the causes of her defeat in 2023.
Red. Łukasz Karpiel asked his guests to effort to measure the reasons that led to the PiS election defeat in October 2023, especially in the context of the presidential election.
As Rafał Ziemkiewicz emphasized, the Law and Justice had an extraordinary chance in the past of the 3rd Polish Republic to carry out changes in the country. 8 years of government, in addition, a second word with highly strong social support, reaching up to 40 – 45 percent in polls. – Nobody's had it since Jaruzelski. Both chambers of parliament, Belvedere, Constitutional Court, National Judicial Council, National tv Council, National Media Radio... – he exchanged. – It's hard not to ask yourself: what was screwed up?, since it wasn't adequate and it turned out that you had to give power back – he added.
According to Rafał Ziemkiewicz, however, the PiS is far from specified a reflection – and for this reflection the PiS must be forced.
According to the journalist, in 2015 there was a kind of folk revolt: Poles wanted to have something to say and to make a revolution, which should have actually taken place in 1989. – The PiS will read this rebellion completely wrongÅ – assessed Ziemkiewicz. – He felt that it was about his own identity electorate – and too that he is to take a fewer million people essential for victory, speaking the language of the French Revolution specified a "bago" – people without views, without identity affiliations, "polacy", speaking the language I utilized in my book - He said.
These PiS people decided to give money and money to promise. The parties seemed to be enough: their own iron electorate and the "bago" obtained by giving distant money.
– It totally failed. Turns out it just doesn't work. Now I'm waiting for reflection. – he added.
Rafał Woś assessed things differently. In his opinion, the revolution of 1989 was actually completed in 2015, but the model of the PiS should be described differently.
– PiS has succeeded from modern Poland something that their opponents do not understand. First of all, it is specified a belief that Poland must be a more coherent country, that Poland cannot only be a point improvement estimated at valuing whether it is financial or symbolic of any of the most darty entrepreneurs, the loudest media, the most emancipated parts of society. Only that there is specified a longing in Polish society for greater equality, for it to be fairer, for that we are a community, we are 1 political organism and we are liable for each other. This impression matured and among those who felt excluded from success, about whom elites spoke after 1989, and who did not actually scope people below the social ladder – he said.
– She only got the communicative of success, and it made them terribly nervous. It made them throw their sympathy so somewhat from wall to wall. From Tymiński through SLD to the PiS, but besides any opinion-making elites began to realize it and began to see that this could not continue. – he added.
– The second component of this was the belief that Poland is not in the same place as it was after 1989, in a broader geopolitical sense, of specified an order of pecking as to where we are in the hierarchy of the western planet we joined. fresh generations began to grow up, for which things specified as participation in Poland in the European Union, for example, and in the widely understood The West is something completely normal, something completely natural. The argument began little and little that we were fresh to you, and we should sit so quietly in the corner with a hat in our hand and make certain that we were not accidentally thrown out, due to the fact that this is the tallness of our dreams, due to the fact that we know how we were earlier, how we longed for the West, etc. Generations have spoken: well, all right, we've got it – and then what? We see no reason why we should now be any different, worse Europe than those in the West. As alive as us, neither smarter, nor better, nor more European," said Rafał Woś.
Poles started driving around Europe and saw that in many ways in our country – supposedly so bad and unleavened – it is just as good or better, due to the fact that in the West things frequently work worse than in us. PiS besides sensed this, giving hope that our own political elites were able to make any affirmative plan – that they would not only copy what in the West – he said.
According to Rafał Wosia PiS, both of these things were done first: economical value for people plus subjectivity in abroad policy. So he made quite a few mistakes. These errors can be shown today, but they can besides be pointed to a broader perspective.
Rafał Ziemkiewicz categorically refused to agree with this. The public then argued over what strategy the Law and Justice should now adopt. According to Rafał Wosia, it is crucial to let Poles to think calmly about whether it was better just in 2015 – 2023 and return to this after the next elections. Rafał Ziemkiewicz felt that specified a strategy would fail, and the description of the policy of the PiS in the release of Rafał Wosia did not reflect at least what the leaders of the organization thought.
The whole, sharp discussion can be viewed below.
Source: PCh24 TV
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